HAFC PICC Dutchman Enterprises

HAFC or PICC or MMPG High Mileage Is the Dutchman Enterprise system a scam ??

Announcement: The Dateline NBC ran an amazing story Apr 5^th, found at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29899191

Dennis Lee claims to have demonstrated a vehicle getting over 100 mpg at the 2008 WIREC show in Washington DC. But is this really a scam? This page at www.phact.org/e/hafc.htm

Lee's lawyer left the FTCs case against Lee. Note statements from victims of HAFC – which was briefly called Genesis Combustion Enhancement System (GCES) ® and Dutchman called its self GTS or Genesis Technology Systems. Then starting in September of 2009, Lee’s followers claimed Genesis shut down started calling it MMPG system. Although Lee claimed he was leaving this in June, as of Sept 2009, he is very much involved in spite of court orders.

Open offer to owners of Dutchman Enterprises

Just allow me to test one of the 1000's of converted cars and I will honestly report the mileage found right here. It is 3-3-8, I have been making this offer to validate Dennis Lee's various high mileage claims for 5 years now. If 1000 people are trained to convert cars and if there are thousands of high mileage cars out there, why not let test one and report it right on this page. Why do you pay millions for ads and ignore my offer to go from leading critic to strongest promoter?

FAQ Page for HAFC

The marketing person behind Dutchman Enterprises, Dennis Lee, has been promising free electricity for over 20 years and super high mileage for over 6 years. His high mileage pitches have included systems like GEET, TEEG, HAFC and PICC

Mike at mtrahan674 at comcast.net is interested in buying a dealership. If you are wanting a good chance to get out, email him , make an offer. If he is going to lose his money, better it be to a existing victim than to Dennis.

Here is a link by someone who is trying to sue to get his money back from an unworking HAFC
https://webcom.jp.pima.gov/eFiling/eFilingView.asp?CaseNumber=CV08-512493

The best back and forth discussions of HAFC right now with both pro and con posts are at
http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/16400?frmtrk=cr4sd#newcomments
Some people have pointed out that the system is dangerous for a number of reasons: the gas produced could detonate, the caustic solution is very reactive, the electrical connections could easily arc, and the covalizer is carcinogenic.

High mileage scams are going up along with fuel costs - here is a similar one - at least they only charge 50$ to tell you how to run a car on water.
http://www.5starshine.com/ebook.html
here is a much cheaper alternative for someone wanting to investigate adding hydrogen to engines:
http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/

The following is an open challenge from big time Dennis dealer, Jeff Otto claiming to want to have a $5000 challenge with any HFAC critic
http://update.jeffotto.com/#Hydro and http://peswiki.com/index.php/Validation:JeffOtto.com_LTD%27s_challenge_to_HAFC_critics
I would be glad to accept this - Problem is, he won't respond to my emails in the past week to negotiate terms for this test.

(the The Las Vegas Optic never had misleading info about HAFC) A NM newspaper has the following
http://www.lcni5.com/cgi-bin/storyviewxarchive.cgi?080+20071112.News.2007119-3314-080-080030.archive+News

I understand that Dennis's leading installer is in NM, I am trying to put him in touch with a skeptics group in that state that I believe is willing to be independent witnesses to a demonstration that the installer says he is willing to give. I just want to get at the truth and report it. If they validate the high mileage, I will fly out to check it out- if I see it true, I will pay $1000 for setting me straight. In any event, I will publish the results on this forum and on my page at
www.phact.org/hafc.htm

Here is a link on Washington state's efforts to stop Lee's scams
http://www.atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx?&id=3892

There is an email list that gives information on some of the other fraudulent high mileage scams out there at
EcoEnergizerComplaints@yahoogroups.com
One former HAFC promoter just admitted to me that he feels the whole thing is a scam, he backed out and tried to get the downstream MLM from him to do the same.
Doesn't it seem strange that Dennis runs a million dollars on ads (that look like a scam to most observers) - but months later does not even have enough kits ready to even supply dealers and affiliates.

I was recently interviewed by Sterling Allan on the subject of examining free energy claims - you can hear me mention people like Dennis at
http://www.podshow.com/player/psp.php?theFeed=pesn&theEpisode=106163

Here is how I have noted that past high mileage scams have made money: All the dealers think everyone but them has it working and they only need wait a little more or few adjustments to get theirs to work. That's one of the reasons Dennis works hard to keep these people from talking to each other. If it really worked, free small town media coverage would quickly do far more than their expensive ad campaign.

Among the warning lights that imply this is just one more high mileage scam:
    No real independent confirmation
    Heavy MLM solicitations
    No physical address listed – and magnets do not affect fuel

Dennis claims he is only an Employee of "Dutchman Enterprises", but here is why I think it is really no different than Lee's other shell companies like BWT, ITEC, and UCSA:

· he is not able to let anyone else control things;

· there is no listed person/people running it,

· the physical location address is the same as the other "companies";

· no one from their email address will respond to my simple offer to be convinced by proof.

Sterling Allan is an independent promoter of free energy ideas and has been slowly realizing there are a lot of scams out there. He has challenged a big time Dennis follower to figure out which one of us is the liar. Among Sterling's conclusions are:

I am not convinced that Krieg is the liar. To the contrary, I see Dennis Lee as the wordsmith full of contradictions that are dishonest and twist the truth. That doesn't mean he doesn't have legitimate technology, but it does cast a dark shadow on the legitimacy of his claims, and it heightens the need for independent corroboration.

You can see Sterling's independent write up at:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:Dennis_Lee#Dennis_Lee_v._Eric_Krieg

An independent page from someone warning people about Lee is found at
http://tellme1st.net/energy-resources/DennisLee/Scam_alert.htm

You can see Dennis's promise to have a booth at the March 4-6 Washington International Renewable Energy Conference at:
http://www.omniclub.net/mechsales.pdf
There is a good site at
http://www.electricitybook.com/dennis-lee-scam/

http://www.livescience.com/blogs/2006/03/18/dr-irving-crumplers-perpetual-lotion-machine/
Dennis is still at it and his people surely are. The site advertised is picctv.com which redirects to http://www.preignitioncc.com/ Most active dealers believe stories that other dealers are getting doubled car mileage with the car conversion kits. There are claims of over 50 cars getting doubled mileage. But there are no independent confirmations. I've told plenty of dealers I would be happy to switch sides if they offered real proof - with the real thing, they wouldn't have needed to pay a few hundred thousand for publicity. It should be easy for one of these 50 owners to show it to a small town newspaper reporter and quickly ride a media wave that ends on the front page of Time and Newsweek. I believe the game has two excuses used: when people don't get the mileage they are told "you did something wrong, because other people get it" or "oh, there are a few technical difficulties, just wait for the improved version to come out". Those excuses have kept others doing the high mileage scam taking money for years. Dennis's people have launched a huge nationwide media campaign including full page ads in major magazines including Popular Science, Popular Mechanics, Sierra Club's Magazine, National Enquirer, Motor Magazine, Mother Jones & Environment.. Dennis still promises that he will have demonstrations of free electricity in stadiums in most states across the nation on July 10 of 2008.

    I think Lee's big chance in the last few years is to duck responsibility for all he does by running shell companies that he claims his dealers own. Companies like "Dutchman Enterprises" have their listed physical address (usually the physical address is hidden in this scam) at Dennis's location on Rt 23 in Newfoundland NJ.
If you invested in a dealership or ad-buy program based on info you have found to be false, you are a victim of fraud and it is never to late to report it to your state attorneys general (don't forget to copy to NJ) found from this list:
find your state's attorney general   Even if you do not recover your losses, you are at least being socially responsible to make it less likely for someone else to get ripped off. Ditto for anyone having trouble getting made whole for a non-working HFAC.

Here are the full page ads said to have been part of Dennis Lee's multi million dollar ad campaign to get more suckers
http://high-tech-energy-solutions.com/pdf/Hybrid.pdf
http://high-tech-energy-solutions.com/pdf/Cleaner.pdf
http://high-tech-energy-solutions.com/pdf/Highway.pdf
http://high-tech-energy-solutions.com/pdf/Mileage.pdf
http://high-tech-energy-solutions.com/pdf/Motorhead.pdf
this last one was in Newsweek
http://high-tech-energy-solutions.com/pdf/newsweek-ad.pdf

Dennis claims he is only an Employee of "Dutchman Enterprises", but here is why I think it is really no different than Lee's other shell companies like BWT, ITEC, and UCSA:   he is not able to let anyone else control things; there is no listed person/people running it, the physical location address is the same as the other "companies"; no one from their email address will respond to my simple offer to be convinced by proof. Also, the main Dutchman web site is registered by the same person running Dennis's site. Dennis has a long history of constantly changing program names and company names, but they all end up as financial black holes.

There is also now a dedicated uncensored email list just for any info about HAFC and PICC; it is open for believers in either Dennis or science.

An independent review of Lee's accusation that I am lying.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:Dennis_Lee#Dennis_Lee_v._Eric_Krieg

Here are web pages (by people I don't know) talking about Lee scams:
http://www.electricitybook.com/dennis-lee-scam/
http://tellme1st.net/energy-resources/DennisLee/Scam_alert.htm

more BBB warnings about HAFC

In short, I think Lee learned from his former business partner, Paul Pantone to make all the buyers think that everyone but them has it working and then just string them along.

Uncensored past discussions from either point of view on Dennis can be found from:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bwt/messages

Dennis claims that "We do have a few hundred customers who have experienced the HAFC technology" - if this is true, then it should be easy for me to openly be proven wrong. Dennis had a cool excuse to the effect, "we can't give people references because those giving them would be too busy being constantly called.”

The following is a good place to see discussion of Lee's 20 year history of impossible technology claims.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bwt/messages

I have heard a number of reports from people who have failed after months of trying to get it to work and some who have had trouble getting their money back – like in Jan of 2009, I got the follow message

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Anita wrote:

I don't mind if you post my message . <snip> I already have about $3000.00 in to this but I paid 42,000.00 for my truck that I still owe 23,000.00 on it. It is less then 3yrs old with about 23,000 miles on it. I had no problems with it until I put this part on it. With in the first month the HAFC was on my car the chemicals had gunked up my throttle body so bad it was scary to drive the truck. When you pressed the gas the truck would jolt. My husband thought out the gate that the problems we are having are directly related to this part. The instruction manual you get is very veg and out dated according to the seller. The installer advice and the seller advice are totally different. nothing coincides. The more so called professionals you talk the more confused you get. Any new information I get I will send your way. I thought it was funny that everyone that stated in posts that there HAFC was running great and working not one of them has been back after that post to state it is still working. i guess if they have the money to go to a certified installer every month to have it tuned it might still be working. Thanks Anita

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Anita wrote:

> I have read many posts that you have left on the Internet. To bad I did not do all the research before I bought this HAFC piece of crap. Or looked up Dennis Lee in the BBB if I had I would not ever of bought it. I read about this product in popular science, they must not do much research before they publish things either. After spending allot more money on this product than I care to admit I haven't found anyway to try to correct the problem. I filed a complaint with the BBB they have transferred the case back and forth to 3 different states, now i am sure that is not going to go anywhere. I bought this item back in March, received it the end of May. Our local mechanic of 25 years and my husband who was a mechanic in the Navy after 4 days finally got it put on. First test run was great. After that everything went down hill. The end of July JeffOtto found us a certified installer in AZ. we live in Idaho and this was the closest he could find to us that was excepting new customers. Well after what we already had in it we went ahead and took it to AZ. After 5 days in a motel with no car the installer got it reinstalled and tuned and it only too cost another $600.00 and even then we never saw the gas savings. We were pretty sick over it. In August our truck got to the point where it almost would not start. We removed the unit and our truck would start again. I called the installer and asked what I could do with the unit and get this, he told me to try to sell it on ebay. What a Joke. Then last month our truck started running bad again. Now its been over at the Ford garage for 3 weeks and they are not sure what the problem is after talking to the ford garage today they had one more thing to try before they peg it to an electrical problem. Of course if they have to open up the wiring harness on the truck, bamm our warranty will be shot because a lot of the wires have been tapped into, even though everything has been soldered back. This thing has been a nightmare. All I can do is chalk it up to a learning experience I don't think there is anyway to sue this kind of a person and get anywhere. But all the crap you have been through with them and just keep trying to let people know what scams he has done might help this from happening to someone else. I admire you for your persistence. Thanks, Anita !

other questions for people promoting HAFC or PICC:

· Where is their proof of Dennis Lee really having patents on this “technology”?

· Why haven't you gotten cheap free publicity by just having small town newspaper reporters give independent validation?

Dennis got the FTC's temporary restraining order lifted for now by filing a legal brief including a long list of names of HAFC customers said to have gotten greatly improved mileage. His followers claim he was exonerated:
http://www.mybetterworld.com/
http://energyblog.commutefaster.com/2009/02/20/ftc-versus-dutchmans-hafc/

But I easily found that 4 of the people said to get near doubled mileage say they got no improvement and are still trying to get their money back. One who had 3 cars modified said that one car doesn't even run now. I wonder what the judge will say when he figures out he was tricked.

I recommend that anyone who gave Dennis money based on false claims (be it kit buyers, dealers, trainers, mechanics or ad buy people) to talk to the FTC. There is a long federal statute of limitations for fraud. The FTC (who is going ahead full against Lee and company) in the past has been able to get money back for victims of fraud. - the best FTC contact is Josh Millard (202) 326-2454, jmillard@ftc.gov You could try the lame NJ consumer fraud people at (973) 504-6200 and/or your own states AG from:
http://www.naag.org/ag/full_ag_table.php

The New Jersey Star Ledger just ran an in depth scathing article on Lee:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/devicemaker_has_a_flair_for_dr.html

An Alaska action against Lee

http://www.law.state.ak.us/pdf/press/081506-lee-cp-decision-release.pdf

The following work at home scams lists some of Lee's companies

http://www.corp.ca.gov/press/pdf/2005/nr0504.pdf

Lee is listed in another scam web site warning at

http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/seminars.htm

another volunteer whistle blower warns people of Lee at

http://www.tellme1st.net/energy-resources/DennisLee/Scam_alert.htm

Dan Huffman claims to have invented the HAFC and that Lee has stolen it with out paying royalties, his patent is found from
http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/7458368.html

Here is a lawsuit where Dennis tried to get out of an Iowa judgement to refund money to a victim:
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/states/Iowa.Ct.App/03-1976.asp.html

There was a reference on the hotline to a California dealers how has 50 returned kits. Someone told Dennis on the hotline that only about 20% of the HAFC purchasers have gotten it to work. Dennis has discouraged people from arranging proper independent demonstrations of HAFC.